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Hi everyone. It is Bill and Wendy again with Carolina Capital
Management. And we are here with one of our good friends and investors, Sue
Jensen.
Management. And we are here with one of our good friends and investors, Sue
Jensen.
Not a good friend, Dear friend.
Okay. Dear friend, Sue Jensen.
She is one of my besties.
So Sue, give us an idea of how you got started in
investing in the first place.
investing in the first place.
Okay. So my husband and I were in our 50s.
Last week?
Yeah! A couple months ago. We realized that we were behind
the eight ball in saving for our retirement. It was coming up fast. So, we
started stuffing money aside into our 401k or 403 B saving our money as much as
we could. And I said to Dale, I want to start learning about investing in real
estate because I know that is a way to really aggressively get this to grow. He
did not really understand where I was talking about. He thought I wanted to be
a realtor and I said, no, investing a real estate. And I said, I just want to
take, start taking some courses. So I started doing that and then in the
meantime, in 07, 08.
the eight ball in saving for our retirement. It was coming up fast. So, we
started stuffing money aside into our 401k or 403 B saving our money as much as
we could. And I said to Dale, I want to start learning about investing in real
estate because I know that is a way to really aggressively get this to grow. He
did not really understand where I was talking about. He thought I wanted to be
a realtor and I said, no, investing a real estate. And I said, I just want to
take, start taking some courses. So I started doing that and then in the
meantime, in 07, 08.
At time we live in infamy.
Everything went downhill and crashed and we lost a bunch
of money in our 401k.
of money in our 401k.
Was it invested in a stock market?
Yeah, Stock markets and mutual funds and all of that. So I
said, you know what, we have no control over this. I want to take control. So I
started learning, going to conferences and and taking courses and we bought, we
ended up buying three houses to invest in, two rentals, fine hold and one for a
fix and flip.
said, you know what, we have no control over this. I want to take control. So I
started learning, going to conferences and and taking courses and we bought, we
ended up buying three houses to invest in, two rentals, fine hold and one for a
fix and flip.
Now you were in New York, but you bought these houses and
were they in New York?
were they in New York?
One was in South Carolina. Two we are in North Carolina
because we knew that we would end up down there and retiring because our kids
were down here and they were having kids of their own. So we knew, okay, we are
going to be near the grandkids. Forget the kids. The grandkids is what we
wanted to close with. So we started buying and plus the market was so much
better in the Carolinas and it was not New York because he bad place to try to
invest in New York. So we bought those three houses and they were a big hassle
to us. We were not looking to increase our work and this was increasing our
work. It was adding a lot of stress to our marriage. Dale does not like being a
landlord plus we have a long distance landlords, we did not have a whole lot of
control. So when something went wrong, like a dishwasher went bad when we are
trying to get people to shop for us it was just a big hassle. So, the way I met
Wendy was I called the President of the REIA, down in Charlotte.
because we knew that we would end up down there and retiring because our kids
were down here and they were having kids of their own. So we knew, okay, we are
going to be near the grandkids. Forget the kids. The grandkids is what we
wanted to close with. So we started buying and plus the market was so much
better in the Carolinas and it was not New York because he bad place to try to
invest in New York. So we bought those three houses and they were a big hassle
to us. We were not looking to increase our work and this was increasing our
work. It was adding a lot of stress to our marriage. Dale does not like being a
landlord plus we have a long distance landlords, we did not have a whole lot of
control. So when something went wrong, like a dishwasher went bad when we are
trying to get people to shop for us it was just a big hassle. So, the way I met
Wendy was I called the President of the REIA, down in Charlotte.
The Real Estate Investor Association.
JC Underwood. And I asked him, can you give me a a property
manager? I need a good property manager. He gave me a name and I said, can you
give me another name of someone that uses him? And he gave me Wendy Sweet. So I
called Wendy and I started talking to her and we talked and we just really
clicked and I said to my husband later, I really like this woman. I just, you
know, we just clicked right away and she was so helpful. You were so helpful to
me to learn not only what I was doing, but another way of investing, which was
lending money, just what she was doing, which I was fascinated with. I thought,
what you were lending money to people. Yeah, we are like a bank and I put these
people together and so I said, I got to learn more. I would call her up time
and time again. She had spent all this time explaining it over to me. So Dan,
tell me again what you do, and eventually I said to Dale, we have got to go
down there, we have got to fly down and meet Wendy and her team because this
may be the answer to what we need to do. This may work really well for us. It
was more passive and better rate of return. So we did that.
manager? I need a good property manager. He gave me a name and I said, can you
give me another name of someone that uses him? And he gave me Wendy Sweet. So I
called Wendy and I started talking to her and we talked and we just really
clicked and I said to my husband later, I really like this woman. I just, you
know, we just clicked right away and she was so helpful. You were so helpful to
me to learn not only what I was doing, but another way of investing, which was
lending money, just what she was doing, which I was fascinated with. I thought,
what you were lending money to people. Yeah, we are like a bank and I put these
people together and so I said, I got to learn more. I would call her up time
and time again. She had spent all this time explaining it over to me. So Dan,
tell me again what you do, and eventually I said to Dale, we have got to go
down there, we have got to fly down and meet Wendy and her team because this
may be the answer to what we need to do. This may work really well for us. It
was more passive and better rate of return. So we did that.
One of the things we always preach, it is better to
control the asset without being responsible for the asset and you do not have
to worry about tenants and toilets, trash and all that stuff.
control the asset without being responsible for the asset and you do not have
to worry about tenants and toilets, trash and all that stuff.
We had termites, we had mold. I mean we had all kinds of
stuff.
stuff.
Yeah! You get experience all of that. Yeah. And I remember
too, when you guys came down, I got to meet you and Dale sitting in his chair
like this the whole time. He was not happy.
too, when you guys came down, I got to meet you and Dale sitting in his chair
like this the whole time. He was not happy.
He was gonna grill her.
And he did.
At first I was embarrassed, but then I saw that Wendy did
not mind it at all and it was great. I was enjoying it.
not mind it at all and it was great. I was enjoying it.
We love educated investors and we love educating investors
as well. So, we want those grillings. That is the only way you are going to
feel comfortable. So, at what point did you start investing putting your money
into a self-directed IRA? How did you even hear about it? You know, there is
only like 5% of the population that even knows about self-directed retirement.
as well. So, we want those grillings. That is the only way you are going to
feel comfortable. So, at what point did you start investing putting your money
into a self-directed IRA? How did you even hear about it? You know, there is
only like 5% of the population that even knows about self-directed retirement.
Yeah! So it was two courses that I had been taken before
this, The Rich Dad, Poor Dad Course and a Course on Tax Liens. I was also
investing in tax liens and they both talked about self directed IRA. So then I
started going to equity trust conferences. So, we really ramped up our self
directed IRAs. We actually have five of them right now and our family has them.
But that is best way to say you can start investing.
this, The Rich Dad, Poor Dad Course and a Course on Tax Liens. I was also
investing in tax liens and they both talked about self directed IRA. So then I
started going to equity trust conferences. So, we really ramped up our self
directed IRAs. We actually have five of them right now and our family has them.
But that is best way to say you can start investing.
Absolutely.
By the way, all, well most the vast majority of your self
directed IRA custodians are a great tool for education.
directed IRA custodians are a great tool for education.
Absolutely!
They do not promote any particular investment, but they
educate you on what type of investments that you can utilize in your
self-directed retirement account. And one of the worst things people do when
they open up a self-directed retirement account is that they do not invest in
anything.
educate you on what type of investments that you can utilize in your
self-directed retirement account. And one of the worst things people do when
they open up a self-directed retirement account is that they do not invest in
anything.
They let it sit there.
Yeah, it is not working at all.
Not only are you not making money, but you are losing
money because guess what? They charge fees. So, once you make the decision to
put money into an IRA, you have to deploy that capital somewhere and there are
tendencies of people to, I do not know, failure to pull the trigger because
they think kind of over analyze things and are a little bit nervous. Sue did
not do that. She jumped in with both feet.
money because guess what? They charge fees. So, once you make the decision to
put money into an IRA, you have to deploy that capital somewhere and there are
tendencies of people to, I do not know, failure to pull the trigger because
they think kind of over analyze things and are a little bit nervous. Sue did
not do that. She jumped in with both feet.
And they want you to deploy it because they are going to
make more money every time you do deploy it and invest it. But they want to
give you options. That is what I love about all the different IRA companies.
You can sign up on any of the self-directed custodian websites and get into all
of their webinars, their seminars, the different events that they put on there,
teach you about self directed IRA thing. But they also hook you up with other
people of different ways you can invest your money. They are not endorsing
anybody, but they are saying, hey, look at all these options that you have out
in front of you. So that was a great move for you to do that.
make more money every time you do deploy it and invest it. But they want to
give you options. That is what I love about all the different IRA companies.
You can sign up on any of the self-directed custodian websites and get into all
of their webinars, their seminars, the different events that they put on there,
teach you about self directed IRA thing. But they also hook you up with other
people of different ways you can invest your money. They are not endorsing
anybody, but they are saying, hey, look at all these options that you have out
in front of you. So that was a great move for you to do that.
One of the ways to invest is in the stock market.
That is right. I would not do it this week though.
Maybe a few more days.
But that is the problem in stock market. But if you are
still a stock market person, you can still do it in yourself.
still a stock market person, you can still do it in yourself.
Yeah! That is right.
So, what at this point in your investing is more important
to you? Is it being very active in the investments or being more passive?
to you? Is it being very active in the investments or being more passive?
Definitely more passive. And that is why I like working
with Wendy and Bill, with you guys. I got money in your fund. That is even more
passive. But it is so much nicer, especially for us. We are supposed to be in
our retirement days.
with Wendy and Bill, with you guys. I got money in your fund. That is even more
passive. But it is so much nicer, especially for us. We are supposed to be in
our retirement days.
So you have loved retirement.
I know. I have got the wrong line.
You do not retire, you just move on to what is next.
Yeah! That is true.
But you guys do the heavy lifting and you have like 30
years of experience in this industry, in the financial industry. You know, what
a good borrower looks like. And you know what a good property looks like so
much better than I do. So, I could maybe, you know, get up a borrower and say,
Oh, they seem nice. They seem like they got it together, but you got.
years of experience in this industry, in the financial industry. You know, what
a good borrower looks like. And you know what a good property looks like so
much better than I do. So, I could maybe, you know, get up a borrower and say,
Oh, they seem nice. They seem like they got it together, but you got.
They told me they pay.
But you guys know how to choose them and you know all the
the underwriting and you hold the draws and you make sure the inspections are
done and the title search and all that stuff that protects you. You guys know
how to do that so much better. And so you just put me together with a borrower
alert and move from loan to loan to loan. And our return has just been awesome.
the underwriting and you hold the draws and you make sure the inspections are
done and the title search and all that stuff that protects you. You guys know
how to do that so much better. And so you just put me together with a borrower
alert and move from loan to loan to loan. And our return has just been awesome.
That is great. And I am really glad you brought up what
you did too about doing heavy lifting because even with the knowledge and the
experience that we have, there is still bad things that can happen. You can
still lose a property and you have a borrower that does not pay and you have
been through that with us.
you did too about doing heavy lifting because even with the knowledge and the
experience that we have, there is still bad things that can happen. You can
still lose a property and you have a borrower that does not pay and you have
been through that with us.
We were in together.
That is right.
We had that one, bad egg.
So can you tell us about that, how you felt going through
that? Because we all, you know, it was a good year that we had to deal with all
of that. So how did that affect you? How did you feel going through that and
what was the outcome for you?
that? Because we all, you know, it was a good year that we had to deal with all
of that. So how did that affect you? How did you feel going through that and
what was the outcome for you?
Well, when we went into this, we knew that without any
investment, there is always risk. There is nothing that is for sure. So even
though everything looked good and went really well and our first few years with
you, we started in July of 12 with our first loan.
investment, there is always risk. There is nothing that is for sure. So even
though everything looked good and went really well and our first few years with
you, we started in July of 12 with our first loan.
Wow!
We have now gone up about 60 with you and four or five
privately.
privately.
Wow.
In our first few years, I did the math last night. So we,
that is when interest rates are really high.
that is when interest rates are really high.
We are getting 15%.
15% plus renewals. So we actually doubled our money in
about four years.
about four years.
Wow!
Yep. I mean, I wish I had put out a lot of money. But we,
you know, we have put a good chunk in. And we were just amazed at how different
it was and how good it was. But then we hit that bad borrower, all of us did.
And especially I was one of those that had several of his loans. So, things got
rough because we had to take all those houses back and finish them up.
you know, we have put a good chunk in. And we were just amazed at how different
it was and how good it was. But then we hit that bad borrower, all of us did.
And especially I was one of those that had several of his loans. So, things got
rough because we had to take all those houses back and finish them up.
Did you have to take them back?
I did not have to take them back. I just prayed, God help
this woman.
this woman.
Thank you.
Let me know. That was rough I felt for you. But I knew
that you were going to do the best that you could with what you had to work
with. And yeah, a lot of us lost some principal. We lost some, but really
during that time I work that out too. We were still making about a 6% return
during those two years that was the.
that you were going to do the best that you could with what you had to work
with. And yeah, a lot of us lost some principal. We lost some, but really
during that time I work that out too. We were still making about a 6% return
during those two years that was the.
Worst start to the finish, right?
Yeah! So we went to like a 15% to a 6% and now we are up
to about a 12% return.
to about a 12% return.
Awesome!
So yeah, it was a dip. But you know, you guys learned a
lot. We all learned a lot. You made some adjustments. You got an even better
team. So I was very encouraged by being able to go through that. Plus I saw you
guys take personal, hit yourself.
lot. We all learned a lot. You made some adjustments. You got an even better
team. So I was very encouraged by being able to go through that. Plus I saw you
guys take personal, hit yourself.
I need to put makeup over the bruises.
Oh men, yeah. I mean you guys took losses before some of
us took loss and you went without pay for awhile because you were so concerned
for your clients and stuff. And I really, that is what I appreciate and that is
what Dale appreciates is, you know, if we are going to go through hard times,
it is not just going to be okay. The client's lost money, that is what we use
to deal with financial advisor. Yeah, you lost money. It will come back in 10
years. You guys were not like that. You guys were, you know what we are not
taking a paycheck for a while until we get this back up to par and we saw you
do it and now we are on the other side of it.
us took loss and you went without pay for awhile because you were so concerned
for your clients and stuff. And I really, that is what I appreciate and that is
what Dale appreciates is, you know, if we are going to go through hard times,
it is not just going to be okay. The client's lost money, that is what we use
to deal with financial advisor. Yeah, you lost money. It will come back in 10
years. You guys were not like that. You guys were, you know what we are not
taking a paycheck for a while until we get this back up to par and we saw you
do it and now we are on the other side of it.
Our business cannot operate without investors. So, you know,
we treat your money like it is our money. Now let us get back to the experience
part of it. Yes, Wendy and I have tons of experience in this business but, and
it is very helpful. But this industry is constantly evolving.
we treat your money like it is our money. Now let us get back to the experience
part of it. Yes, Wendy and I have tons of experience in this business but, and
it is very helpful. But this industry is constantly evolving.
Yeah! A lot of change.
That is one of the reasons I like it so much is because
there is always change and it never gets boring.
there is always change and it never gets boring.
Yeah! That is not the word I used.
But there are certain constants that stay in place and
that is figuring out risk and you are always going to have a loser, now and
again. I follow and I do not want to get morbid here, but I follow crash in
airplanes and why they happen and it is never one thing. It is always a chain
of events that occur. It is never just one little accident and that caused it.
It is always a chain of events. When you do have one that goes bad on it, it is
not just one little thing. A chain of events happen and then then they kind of
snowball. So it just feels worse than it actually is. Anyway, I appreciate you
hanging out with us and even though that you did lose money at one point in the
long run and any kind of investment, especially in real estate, is a longterm commitment.
And if you are day trading as it were, you do not want to be in real estate
anyway because yes, you can make them as many, but yes, you can lose a bunch of
money, but in the long run it is going to always go up in bay, right?
that is figuring out risk and you are always going to have a loser, now and
again. I follow and I do not want to get morbid here, but I follow crash in
airplanes and why they happen and it is never one thing. It is always a chain
of events that occur. It is never just one little accident and that caused it.
It is always a chain of events. When you do have one that goes bad on it, it is
not just one little thing. A chain of events happen and then then they kind of
snowball. So it just feels worse than it actually is. Anyway, I appreciate you
hanging out with us and even though that you did lose money at one point in the
long run and any kind of investment, especially in real estate, is a longterm commitment.
And if you are day trading as it were, you do not want to be in real estate
anyway because yes, you can make them as many, but yes, you can lose a bunch of
money, but in the long run it is going to always go up in bay, right?
Right. Well, what I also want to say about along those
lines is that you guys surround yourself with very smart people and I
appreciate that you are constantly hearing to other masterminds. You are
learning all the time so that you not only become more knowledgeable, but you
become more wise because you are talking to so many other people in the
industry that have their eyes open their ear to the ground and they are trying
to figure out what could happen, what might happen, what is happening, what is
working, what is not working, so that you can stay on top of it. And that gives
me security and I depend on you guys.
lines is that you guys surround yourself with very smart people and I
appreciate that you are constantly hearing to other masterminds. You are
learning all the time so that you not only become more knowledgeable, but you
become more wise because you are talking to so many other people in the
industry that have their eyes open their ear to the ground and they are trying
to figure out what could happen, what might happen, what is happening, what is
working, what is not working, so that you can stay on top of it. And that gives
me security and I depend on you guys.
It is like paying a small amount of money to learn from
other people's mistakes that are paying a large amount of money from learning
from your own.
other people's mistakes that are paying a large amount of money from learning
from your own.
I have had to learn from there.
That is for sure. And it is really important to not be the
smartest people in the room. We are good with that. We are not the smartest
ones in the room.
smartest people in the room. We are good with that. We are not the smartest
ones in the room.
Stay humble.
It is a blessing to be around people like that that are,
they kind of have the same values that we have to and that can help lift us up
when you know, when we need help and, we are thrilled to be able to help them
as well.
they kind of have the same values that we have to and that can help lift us up
when you know, when we need help and, we are thrilled to be able to help them
as well.
I always quote our friend Glenn Stromberg. I have never
had an original idea in my life. I just surround my self with much of smart
people and I copy what they did.
had an original idea in my life. I just surround my self with much of smart
people and I copy what they did.
That is right. Just redo it.
They do not reinvent the wheel. You just copy what they
write.
write.
That is right.
That is the smarter way to do.
So in closing, listen, I appreciate your time, come visit
with us. So apparently your experiences. May I ask that question?
with us. So apparently your experiences. May I ask that question?
I would say it is been life changing.
Oh wow! Thanks!
I am not just saying that is it is true. It is been life
changing for us. We can live the lifestyle that we really wanted to but did not
think that we would be able to in our retirement years. You know, with my
husband, he a Pastor for 40 years and then you know, me just starting to save
later on in life. We thought, you know, how are we ever going to make this
work? But just from that phone call when I felt like we were put together for a
reason and that, you know, that click where I said, you know what, I think
there is a destiny in, there is something in our future with this company here.
And I am so glad that we stuck it out even through the tough times because we
have been blessed and we have been able to be generous. We have been able to do
the things that we want to do because of our dealings with you.
changing for us. We can live the lifestyle that we really wanted to but did not
think that we would be able to in our retirement years. You know, with my
husband, he a Pastor for 40 years and then you know, me just starting to save
later on in life. We thought, you know, how are we ever going to make this
work? But just from that phone call when I felt like we were put together for a
reason and that, you know, that click where I said, you know what, I think
there is a destiny in, there is something in our future with this company here.
And I am so glad that we stuck it out even through the tough times because we
have been blessed and we have been able to be generous. We have been able to do
the things that we want to do because of our dealings with you.
Awesome. And that goes both ways. We are, we too are
blessed and good thing God knows what he is doing, right?
blessed and good thing God knows what he is doing, right?
I know. Good thing He's listening once in a while.
The best couple minutes that can be paid to us. And you
have already done that, from other.
have already done that, from other.
Many times ever.
Beause we have gotten other investors, through Sue.
Family members, friends are all church.
That is right.
I want to add something to. Sue volunteered. She was a
director of a REIA group.
director of a REIA group.
That is what I mean. She flunked retirement.
That is a thankless job. A lot of the people that are
there are brand new to real estate and they sit in rooms on their hands. It is
hard to rally the troops and get occasionally Wendy will come in there and do
the whoop boot thing.
there are brand new to real estate and they sit in rooms on their hands. It is
hard to rally the troops and get occasionally Wendy will come in there and do
the whoop boot thing.
Such a good job.
People would wind up. But you did an incredible job of, so
we have been involved in that REIA group for hell since.
we have been involved in that REIA group for hell since.
2003. Two, 2002. Okay, 2001 and that is my last offer. It
was 2001 and September. I remember it well.
was 2001 and September. I remember it well.
But you do not have to join every group. You do not have
to be involved in real estate to invest in real estate. We do what you had be
educated. But, what we do is passive.
to be involved in real estate to invest in real estate. We do what you had be
educated. But, what we do is passive.
Right. For others, not us.
Not for you.
You do not need it to be a second job.
That is exactly right.
Thank you so much.
Yes, thank you so much.
My pleasure.
Thank you for the ride out here. Because I know it was a
long way, because I have to drive it every day.
long way, because I have to drive it every day.
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